Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. This is an indication that the covert side of the schoolbook business had shifted to the Scott Foresman and Southwestern building, perhaps because the notoriety of the TSBD had hampered its ability to conduct smuggling operations and thus had to be discontinued. Mr. GOLDSMITH - I am not sure I am following, then, what specifically you did check. [23], The man using the pay phone was Shelley, for in an affidavit made out that same afternoon, he said, "I went back into the building [from outside where he viewed the shooting of the president] and went inside and called my wife and told her what happened. (Whereupon, a recess was taken while the members of I the Committee went to the floor of the House for a vote.) Mr. PREYER - And you did mention the case officer who came in and told you that the money he had drawn out a few weeks earlier was drawn out for Oswald? Mr. PREYER - It had no relation to your performance? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Also Present: Elizabeth Berning, Chief Clerk, and Charles Berk, Betsy Wolf and James Wolf. Mr. WILCOTT - That he was a regular employee, receiving a full-time salary for agent work for doing CIA operational work. Mr. GOLDSMITH - So that they would be routinely destroyed at the time of auditing? You may have noticed that at the end of my letter to Alternative Views I carbon-copied to my will. It was intended as a jab at myself lest I get too full of myself rereading it 50 years from now. Investigations of the CIA in the 1960s and 1970s shows that the agency had embedded agents in a wide variety of organizations and institutions, including labor unions, airlines, college student associations, foundations, law firms, banks, savings and loans, investment firms, travel agencies, police departments, post offices, publishing companies, newspapers, call girl services, and mental health institutions. Mr. CORNWELL - But your testimony or your statements on the subject hadn't been made a matter of publicity on any other occasion? [16] At the same time, the president of the company, Jack Cason, spent five days a week, Monday through Friday, in uniform at Fort Wolters at Mineral Wells (80 miles west of Dallas). Like Frazier, who was eating lunch in the basement, Oswald went to the first-floor lunchroom to eat his lunch. [15] Shelley testimony, Volume 6 of the Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits on page 327, hereafter to be cited as 6H327. Mr. DODD - Am I to believe by that that you were not aware at the time you made the disbursement that it was, in fact, an Oswald project? No doubt the police asked Shelley a lot of questions, and it is possible that they kept him in custody until he gave satisfactory answers. Do you solemnly swear that the evidence you are about to give before this subcommittee will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God? [14] William Harvey obituary in The New York Times, June 14, 1976. Mr. SAWYER - Do you distinguish between an agent and a paid informant or do you use those terms interchangeably? He was an accomplished journalist and author and had worked as a radio engineer in his early career. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, it is. Mr. GOLDSMITH - So, it never really came forward for you to go to the Warren Commission, did it? Mr. GOLDSMITH - How many months after the assassination was this? Mr. WILCOTT - I don't know how to answer that. Mr. SAWYER - I noticed in somne of the information we are provided you say that following your leaving the CIA in 1967 or thereabouts, for a period of some three years or so, you were harassed by the CIA and the FBI and sabotaged, as I recollect it. [26], Pierce Allman, a local newsman, later said that after he approached the TSBD, a man he recalled as Oswald near the front of the building, directed him to a phone inside.[27]. He was the mayor at that time. Mr. GOLDSMITH - So, you first came across this, information in November of 1963, is that correct? . Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. The letters themselves came to me from Larry Ray Harris, a prominent researcher of the Kennedy assassination, who knew a lot about the shooting of Officer Tippit and was featured in the British television documentary The Men Who Killed Kennedy. Which seems to be an odd premise, especially since, as Jerry Rose pointed out in his article, Important to Hold that Man there were at least 14 people missing from the building at the time; and they would not return until 1:30 PM. Mr. WILCOTT - Oh, yes. [3] Telephone interviews of Campbell March 19, 1994; Jones, March 19, 1994; Williams, April 4, 1994; Garner, August 14, 1999. Mr. GOLDSMITH - At the time that this allegation first came to your attention, did you discuss it with anyone? Yet judging by the disgust in his voice when he said at the police station Im just a patsy, he probably did not know that he would be the one accused of killing the president. Jack Cason, the TSBD president, was a stocky, robust man before the assassination. When Doug Kellner answered the phone, I described to him the contents of the letter. I then proceeded to write an article called The Glaze Letters for the May 1999 issue of Jerry Roses JFK assassination research journal called The Fourth Decade. every CIA Case Officer who worked XXXXXXXXXX in 1963? Jerry Fox, SR Branch, Soviet Russia Branch -- After leaving high school he might have continued as an intelligence operative working undercover in local defense plants (plural) during the last months of the war. [12] Wilcotts 3/22/78 HSCA deposition, pp. Mr. WILCOTT - None initially. This would put his visit in a period sometime during the summer or fall of 1963. Perhaps that is why I was so unprepared during that brief step into the looking glass.. Having a double life would not have made Shelley unique among the people who worked at the book depository. As we shall see, this might have been designed to conceal the fact that some people working there were being harassed and bullied. Mr. CORNWELL - Do you remember anything about it? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Mr. WILCOTT - The response was, among quote a few people "Oh, well, I am sure he was." The incident occurred in about 1969. Read honest and unbiased product reviews from our users. 359-360, 386-387. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Is it fair to say that the CIA is an operation that runs itself on a "need-to-know" basis? In November 1963, on the Friday before Thanksgiving, President Kennedy was riding in a Lincoln convertible rolling through the streets of Dallas. Why this information would.come out to a CIA station XXXXXXX rather than some other part of the world is, I assume, because Oswald was trained in Japan, according to your belief. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Do you remember the name of this Case Officer? Mr. WILCOTT - That was November of 1977. However, please contact me before mentioning my name to anyone. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, I am. In late 1977, while working as a reporter for the Avalanche-Journal newspaper in Lubbock, Texas, I submitted written testimony to the United States House of Representatives newly-formed Select Committee on Assassinations. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Mr. GOLDSMITH - As a matter of routine, there would be that reference? Mr. WILCOTT - I think it must have been two or three omths (sic) after the assassination. While working as a journalist in Dallas, Tx. Mr. GOLDSMITH - You testified that your records were only kept for thirty days, is that correct? The largest typical box for books measured 12 x 14 x 18 inches, was made out of cardboard, and when filled with books weighed 55 pounds. [19] Immediately after Adams and Styles went out the back door, Officer Marion Baker came in through the front door and met Roy Truly. I asked Mr. Peets if he knew of any member of the band who disappeared in Dallas in the mid-1970s. His information was that he had been unwittingly involved with paying Oswald through a high security clearance, since he worked in the finance office. Walther was sure they were not as high as the sixth floor. Mr. WILCOTT - No, I don't. Mr. DODD - When you were told all of this? Mr. GOLDSMITH - And were you dismissed by the agency or did you resign? Mr. WILCOTT - Well, I was on day duty for the station. Mr. WILCOTT - The basis for that is discussions that I had with people at the XXXXX Station. It would be easy to verify: (1) if a reporter named Glaze has ever worked for the Lubbock newspaper, (2) if a journalist named Glaze was living in Dallas in 1974/1975. Mr. Wilcott. Mr. GOLDSMITH - What is the name of the book? His father lost weight and developed a stoop in the way he stood and walked; his hair and facial features aged prematurely. He was in the military service over there, and so you feel be was a double agent who was trained while he was in the military by the CIA, and you mentioned he was given a Russian course. Mr. WILCOTT - In December of 1975, in the little magazine called The Pelican at the University of California, and an interview was conducted by a reporter from that magazine. Wilcotts affidavit and deposition were declassified by the ARRB. Find helpful customer reviews and review ratings for JFK Assassination : The James B. Wilcott Files And The CIA Oswald Project: An Investigative Report at Amazon.com. Truly notified Police Captain Will Fritz, who immediately thought that it was "important to hold that man.[29] What makes this even more interesting is the following new information. Enclosing the back area is a high, chain-link fence with coils of barbed wire on top. Mr. GOLDSMITH - When was the first time that you alleged in public that Oswald was a CIA agent. He learned this after the fact through various sources within the Agency, who all recognized what had happened after the assassination and the association of Oswalds name with the crime. I was in too much of a hurry to remember what the three men looked like. Mr. GOLDSMITH - I think we had better go over that one more time. Roy Truly, who started working for the book depository in 1934, took a part-time job at the North American Aviation plant in Arlington, Texas during the war years. This man said that a large wooden box, 36 x 48 x 60 inches, was used to import arms into the building, one with a false bottom. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes sir. He closed his 1989 letter with a lurid metaphor: I will help any wayI just want to be forewarned. William Weston examines the curious letters of Elzie Glaze and considers potential connections between the CIA and the Texas School Book Depository. Mr. WILCOTT - Did you vote for President Kennedy? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Instead, our system considers things like how recent a review is and if the reviewer bought the item on Amazon. In April of 1966, I resigned from the CIA. I made my call and left. Had the seemingly insignificant trail of bread crumbs I stumbled across had not been so he avidly guarded, I might never have given it a second thought. Mr. GOLDSMITH - How do you spell XXXXXXXXXX last name? Mr. DODD - Did anyone else at the Agency know of your views at the Agency and did you communicate with other people about your dissatisfaction? Mr. DODD - Talking about hours afterwards or a day afterwards? Obviously, the distance to Ambassador Row was too great to serve as a useful guide to anyone seeking to verify Glazes account. Mr. WILCOTT - Well, I never really looked. In the new 2017 November release of JFK documents, he was interviewed in executive session under oath by the House Select Committee On Assassinations on March 22,1978. Redemption links and eBooks cannot be resold. On October 5, 1986, Elsie Wilcott died of cancer. Mr. GOLDSMITH - You have indicated that you were not inclined to go to the Warren Commission because you were concerned about their security? Mr. PREYER - I believe you have written an article about this, an unpublished article. There was a fourth calm man, perhaps unnoticed by MacNeil, who was getting a coke on the second floor. Mr. GOLDSMITH - What was your response to this revelatic as to what Oswald's cryptonym was? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, in a speculative manner. Did you contact any CIA officer or employee with respect to the secrecy oath and discuss with them whether or not you should be permitted to discuss these matters outside of the Agency? I was really scared to go to the Government and talk about any of these things. Mr. GOLDSMITH - To your knowledge, would any records at CIA Headquarters document that Oswald was a CIA agent? heard it, that was not the first occasion on which you had seen it or heard it? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Who was George Breen? Mr. WILCOTT - They would have summaries of some sort. [13] Henry Hurt, Reasonable Doubt (New York: Holt, Rinehart, and Winston, 1985), pp. Mr. WILCOTT - Well, they were such incidents as the FBI agent that was working with a group -- and this was an established fact that this person was an FBI agent and that he wa working with the group that I was working with an antiwar group and, to my mind, there is a very great likelihood that this person was there to neutralize me, as the CIA term went. Joe was unable to determine if the arson was assassination-related. Fritz was on the sixth floor examining the scene when Truly told him of this. William Weston began researching the assassination of President Kennedy in 1992, after making a comparison of Anthony Summers excellent book Conspiracy to a book defending the official version called Final Disclosure by David Belin. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, I am sure somewhere. Mr. SAWYER - Was he in Utica? Also at this location were the office suites of eight schoolbook publishing companies, including Scott Foresman, Southwestern, Macmillan, and McGraw-Hill. Mr. DODD - I have just a couple of questions. Mr. GOLDSMITH - So, then, really, no purpose would have been served by checking those records? He stated that he left work because, in his opinion, based upon remarks of BILL SHELLEY, he did not believe that there was going to be any more work that day due to the confusion in the building. He was sickly looking, and, like his father, had lost weight. That would be William Shelley, who Oswald worked under for six weeks as an order filler for the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD). At my request, he sent me a copy. [28] A roll call of warehouse employees seemed to indicate that Oswald was indeed absent. Wilcott's Full HSCA Testimony EXECUTIVE SESSION ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY WEDNESDAY, MARCH 22, 1978 House of Representatives, John F. Kennedy Subcommittee of the Select Committee on Assassinations, All I remember is that her husband was previously a member of the musical group The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band. She didnt show up for work the next day and didnt pick up her final paycheck. Apparently, work at the book depository was not so demanding as to preclude these forays into military, law enforcement, or intelligence organizations. I have entered other webs, but this one is different because the spider leaves the web and stalks its preysometimes for many years.. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Your book. Then, as time Went on, I began to hear more things in that line. The day after, perhaps, two or three weeks after, the kind of talk was that CIA was somehow connected. Mr. WILCOTT - In conversation. Mr. WILCOTT - Not specifically, only generally. Mr. WILCOTT - Usually I threw them away at the end of the day or once in a while I would put it in -- I had a little folder where I kept personal things and it is possible I could have out it in there, but certainly it would have bee destroyed when I left. Mr. DODD - at that time? There was a problem loading your book clubs. Regardless, it ended up in my files around the time we opened the JFK Center in 1989. We appreciate your being here today, Mr. Wilcott. James Wilcott worked out of the Tokyo CIA station at the time of the assassination. Apparently, security measures to keep people from talking continued even after they went into retirement or found other occupations. Mr. WILCOTT - The details approximately two years. During a phone conversation, he told me that he had a letter that mentioned Shelley joining the CIA. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, you did. My address is 2761 Atlantic Street, in Concord, and my occupation is electronic technician. It was an infantry replacement center as well as a German POW camp. And during that period, I had been promoted, GS-7 and also gained a career status. We publish here the Wilcott affidavit and interrogation by the HSCA, declassified by the Assassination Records Review Board. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir; it was a cryptonym that I was familiar with, that it must have been at least two or three occasions that I had remembered it and it did ring a bell, yes. Mr. GOLDSMITH - I take it, from your testimony, that in November of 1963, you were stationed in XXXXXXXXXXXXX Station, is that correct? Mr. GOLDSMITH - Very generally now, what were your responsibilities as a finance employee with the agency? [11] Glaze misdated his letter as 12/12/74.. He said he went back inside and went into the basement for ten minutes, supposedly eating his lunch.[25]. To calculate the overall star rating and percentage breakdown by star, we dont use a simple average. James B. Wilcott worked for the CIA from May of 1957 to April of 1966. 49, No. Mr. GOLDSMITH - excuse me, just answer the question very generally, without referring to anything right now, and please describe generally what your responsibilities were as a finance officer. Mr. PREYER - I understand this might be a good place for us to break and go and vote, so that we will take another recess for about ten minutes. Mr. WILCOTT - Not until after I left the agency. In the work that Oliver Stone has done for his upcoming four-part documentary series on the JFK case, he uncovered information that Truly was not being paid directly through the Texas School Book Depository in 1963. Did you cover this ground? RX-ZIM. Their apartment looked as if no one had ever lived in it. Mr. GOLDSMITH - So, you never checked the cash disbursement files to see if any reference was made there to Oswald's cryptonym, is that correct? All that I knowand the attending dead endswere passed along to a researcher and author in Dallas a few years ago. Mr. WILCOTT - No, sir; I think I had good performance reviews right up to the time that I left. Mr. WILCOTT - It was a book that I had. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Do you have a personal opinion as to how or for what purpose the CIA might have handled any projects that involved Lee Harvey Oswald? anyone? Mr. WILCOTT - It was at least a matter of weeks and perhaps as much as three months after. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. Their whereabouts are completely unknown. [20] Before going up the stairs, Truly paused to tell Shelley to guard the stairs and elevators to make sure no one uses them.[21]. When Joe entered the building, he took a recently installed passenger elevator to the fourth floor. I asked the first man I sawa man who was telephoning from a pillar in the middle of the roomwhere I could call from. Mr. CORNWELL - What year was that? Mr. WILCOTT - No, sir; that was a smaller station. Mr. WILCOTT - They called me up to chief of security, the agent security, and they interviewed me on the association that I had had with the group, and then they gave me a polygraph -- in fact, two polygraphs -- concerning my association with the group of people that I met with the group. 1964, of course, the Vietnam war was going on and Lyndon Johnson was now president. Mr. WILCOTT - Oh, yes. Two retired Sexton officials told me that they moved out of the building on November 14, 1961, and that it remained vacant for at least a year. One label read Texas School Book Depository, 500 Red Pony books by John Steinbeck, from Bobbs-Merrill. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Would your Counsel identify himself for the recorder? And do you know for a fact that he was given Russian courses? Mr. DODD - How long had you been married by the way? Find all the books, read about the author, and more. He was fortunate to have many travels, including celebration of his 60th birthday in Antarctica. James Earl Ray fired one shot at Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Those generations who were there in 1963 are grateful that people like you are continuing the pursuit and taking another look at events which may have been too shocking for the rest of us to ever fully comprehend. Behind the building are five loading docks and an asphalt lot extensive enough to accommodate a number of trucks of any given size. About four or five years after the assassination, she said, Scott Foresman and another publisher called Southwestern decided to sever ties with the Texas School Book Depository. 3 By James Mathis and Martha Wagner Murphy Enlarge A photograph from Warren Commission exhibits shows the open limousine that carried President and Mrs. Kennedy through downtown Dallas. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Where is Concord located? Supposedly, he fell asleep at the wheel, or committed suicide, when he rammed into the back of a semi-truck. [5] Interviews of Ted Leon and Thomas H. Butler. Mr. WILCOTT - They were maintained on a thirty-day basis, and then they were closed off at the end of the month. As Rose points out, this is a bit odd also, since most of the building witnesses were taken to the sheriffs office, which was much closer to the TSBD than police headquarters. Mr. GOLDSMITH - What were these people's names? About a year or two after her death, while his father was away, someone broke into the house and set it on fire, creating a furious blaze. Mr. WILCOTT - Dozens, literally dozens. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Drawing your attention to the period immediately after the assassination of President Kennedy, at that time, did you come across any information concerning Lee Harvey Oswald's relationship with the CIA? Every station was divided up -- at least every class station was divided up into areas, where we would have a China, branch, Korea branch and XXXXXXXX branch and SR branch and SR satellite. I will be back in about 10 minutes. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Answer "yes" or "no" for the recorder. Elzie Dean Glaze passed away on November 15, 2019. Additional gift options are available when buying one eBook at a time. . Mr. GOLDSMITH - And the first time you alleged in public this allegation was in 1968? It was a guard-type function at the station, which I worked for overtime. Mr. WILCOTT - I do. Mr. GOLDSMITH - To your personal knowledge, CIA records XXXXXXXXXX were destroyed? of the Select Committee on He was still there when Garner retired in 1986. Give as a gift or purchase for a team or group. On November 22, 1963, there were sixty-nine people working in the building at 411 Elm Streetthirty-three for the TSBD and forty-six for the publishers. Mr. SAWYER - Were there any other instances of harassment? Mr. SAWYER - Now, did the XXXXXXX station have any jurisdiction over the Russian operation or within the Soviet Union? His father died on November 2, 1990. (At this time the school book depository had been relocated to a warehouse near the intersection of Royal Lane and Interstate 35.). Mr. GOLDSMITH - Was he a CIA employee? Bring your club to Amazon Book Clubs, start a new book club and invite your friends to join, or find a club thats right for you for free. Obviously, my handwriting has long been broken down. Mr. SAWYER - He was in Utica also? And we thought every year it was going to be coming out, and especially I didn't think that -- since what I had heard was all hearsay that I would never have seen Oswald or anything like that -- this is not the kind of thing that would be used for even something like the Warren Commission, and they would have to have something more substantial than that to go on, aside from the fact that I never would have done it in the CIA, being a very risky thing to do with the CIA. JFK Assassination : The James B. Wilcott Files And The CIA Oswald Project: An Investigative Report. Mr. DODD - And this would have been, now, shortly after the assassination? Mr. DODD - And she was aware of it from 1964 up until 1968 -- According to one of the FBI reports of the first interrogation of Oswald in the Dallas homicide office: OSWALD stated that he took this Coke down to the first floor and stood around and had lunch in the employees lunch room. time and date of assassination and correspondence with time and date of Wilcott's hearing of assassination. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Is the answer to that "yes"? Mr. WILCOTT - No; I know for a fact, or I know from hearsay, and I believe it to be true from the circumstances how this conversation came up and so on. He followed environmental concerns and space exploration, and he enjoyed playing and watching sports. He said he never saw it and said it was strange that I should possess a letter that was addressed to him. From about January of 1960 to about June of 1960, I was transferred to Finance Field Payroll, also, in this same building, on the Potomac. They were co-hosts of a program called Alternative Views featuring news, interviews, and opinion pieces from a progressive point of view. "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." - enshrined on the lobby floor of the entrance to CIA headquarters. And perhaps even having people inside the TSBD as assets. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. He said there were two musicians who had been with the band since the beginning and he would speak to them. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, I have. In 1984, they began sending tapes of their programs to public access channels in Dallas and San Antonio and then to other cities around the country, hence the name of the umbrella organization, the Alternative Information Network. His 60th birthday in Antarctica sure he was an infantry replacement Center as well a. 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