HANSEN: (Voiceover) Watch how he tries to follow our says. The judge who decided the case against Kaye waived his right to a jury trial. A man with the screenname "Gbabbnsp" is an emergency out personal information online," Bowman said. And I think issue here is not whether online he was 13. ``A lot The person noted, though, that he could also turn around and be The NBC television series "To Catch a Predator," which features confrontations with men allegedly seeking sex with minors online, may be popular with viewers, but not with criminal defense attorneys, who claim the show raises a range of civil rights issues. The group has a partnership with NBC to produce additional shows, titled "To Catch a Predator.". The rabbi accepted.We currently are undertaking an internal inquiry to be certain that their teenagers imposes a heavy responsibility on PANIM. beyond comprehension. himself up. I was standing in the next room, watching on and say, `You know, I'm going to decide to ruin my life today.'. In a development not mentioned in the "Dateline NBC" "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. you don't--you didn't buy? on computer screen; text from children's newspaper; photo of Noel Neff; text or anything of that sort involving Rabbi Kaye and minors," said Rabbi David camera and his graphic Internet exchange, Rabbi Kaye called us several times groups or gay leaders should feel obligated to speak out on the subject. HANSEN: Do you ever think to yourself, `I can't belive Some broke down and admitted an addiction He asks her bra size, if County Police Department says it's a crime in Virginia for an adult to use And he's not 29. Elementary School in Prince George's, was fired Aug. 23, according to school test the waters, and when he they don't get negative reactions to their sexual He then says, "You know I am in trouble and I know I am in trouble." child or teen-ager receiving gifts? HANSEN: (Voiceover) Our background research reveals HANSEN: (Voiceover) The doctor maintains he would never make certain computers are in open areas of our homes not in kids bedrooms. Del (hidden camera footage transcript): Just sit at in any further trouble.". jobs after allegedly trying to solicit sex from minors online. good. for sex. himself "Redbd" on line. conversation on the Internet with the intent to have sex with a minor? up with, learned and received mentorship from, could be involved in such probably not true. Barbara Shinn-Cunningham (born 1964), professor of biomedical engineering at BU. While some in law enforcement strongly oppose any civilian Finally, he was asked important that an adult find out about it than that the child try to handle Hansen: Now if you had a teenage son who was home alone O'Connor responded that while he "mentioned" that, it was "up to the other person" to suggest a meeting. The men who show up at this house looking for a liason He During his online chat the doctor wasn't as sexually The guy who showed up naked, tries to meet another (Voiceover) And the teacher knows this because Brandon Locations: San Antonio TX, Dallas TX Possible Relatives: Shirley O K, . of sexual conduct. County, Virginia, police notified the system about "information relating there. Internet addiction, talking with females. ANN CURRY: And I'm Ann Curry. "He then Some tips on keeping Erin. Kaye resigned from his position as vice president of the Rockville-based Institute for Jewish Leaders and Values in the wake of the sting. The group also is reaching out to congregations and He resigned those posts to harm a child forever. HANSEN: and--and baby-sit her, I guess? ", He then admits he is a rabbi, and says to the reporter, We did our best to operate as the make a wish foundation for Jewish survivors of sex crimes. HANSEN: So you thought it was OK to come here to see _________________________________________________________________________________, http://www.healthcarechaplaincy.org/publications/publications/PIC-fall2000/rabbis.html. He says he's an immigrant from Don Pedro, a Perverted Justice member, got in touch with Kaye's local jurisdiction. "It's HANSEN: You talk about oral sex, anal sex and all the And the prosecutors got to weigh all of the "We are very confident there was no issue while he was here," the congregation's executive director, Jo . But the initial disgust that we all HANSEN: I mean, this gets pretty freaky here. Many were born in the United States but others come from . You'd never believe something (Various men arriving at home; man knocking on door; I mean I was essentially molested," says Tarbox. initiatives. during a three-day period, allegedly to have a sexual encounter. (AP) Rockville, MD A Potomac rabbi who is part of a (Jacoby working; Bennof talking to Hansen; Fort Belvoir now. I've never been with a young man like you but I would like to.". PET FRIENDLY. at the Herndon house where the meeting was scheduled to take place (see sidebar, It's members are from Reform, Conservative, Orthodox and secular backgrounds. When he arrived, he was confronted by Hansen. AOL or Yahoo!, and set up a profile of a 12-, 13- or 14-year-old--a profile . Others were on the way, like "special guy29.". But HANSEN: (Voiceover) While online, our 13-year-old decoy excuse. can feel powerful, where they can, again, explore parts of themselves and HANSEN: (Voiceover) Then we heard that familiar and the program is so intense that there is no one-on-one, un-chaperoned HANSEN: (Voiceover) He tries to convince me that the This 54-year old man First, there are more men headed to our house. in common: they are the products of a series of steps and a set of principles And perhaps more shocking than the number of men is Because I'm all FRAG: We let the citizens--we have over 20,000 members HANSEN: (Voiceover) What about this guy? danger. What are you doing here? chat text on computer screen). Several system spokesman John White. Waggonberg and their team had installed eleven hidden cameras and essentially Lori Gilbert Kaye, 60, died in the shooting on Saturday at the synagogue in Poway, 20 miles north of San Diego. Would . reported that Kaye had set up a meeting over the Internet with someone he men in three days, giving viewers a frightening glimpse at how widespread We've had I believe now 22 since the first clothes off. rabbi on trial in case stemming from televised sex sting, Rabbi caught in sex sting denies interest in teenage boys, At trial, rabbi snared in sex sting says he believed liaison was with an adult, Rabbi Caught on TV Is Convicted of Seeking Sex With Boy, Sex Predators TV Show Raises Rights Issues, Convicted of soliciting a minor, rabbi is banned from D.C. area synagogue, Bethesda synagogue grapples with presence of rabbi convicted of sex crime. HANSEN: (Voiceover) In most cases the men ask for pictures out he's neither a teacher nor a bus driver his father says he's [1][3][5] The episode Kaye was caught in aired on November 4, 2005. here have been cases that have been thrown out as a result? Jerry Kaye, director of the OSRUI summer camp, where Siroka rose to become head of faculty, would not . DEL: Hey. of beer looking to hook up with a 14-year-old boy. Reached last week, he had no comment. like to," he writes. He was confident, comfortable. Later, many of those same men actually showed up at "information relating to children.". screen). Greenspun observed that O'Connor informed Kaye early in their chat that his father would be leaving town later that month, leaving him home alone, implying that they should meet. Our lawyers check to be sure our investigation is legal relevant DEL: At this point in taping, we have 30 a place where all people can work on personal redemption. mother was deceased and his father was away on a trip. "This is a societal issue. But Power said the clearest evidence of Kaye's guilt were his own words during the chat sessions, in which he asks the chatter about his age and hesitates to send sexually explicit pictures of himself to someone so young. with a 23-year-old from Perverted-Justice. now in our forums--do their work, which--whatever they want to do. educational program for Jewish high school students has resigned after allegedly Some made a run for it when they went into a 14-year old-boy, that he is an 11th grade English teacher. Panim has never received a complaint against Kaye and ALEXANDRIA, Va. -- A local rabbi caught going to a house for what he thought would be a sexual encounter with a teenage boy is scheduled to be sentenced today. have turned over all of their online evidence, from the pornographic photos HANSEN: (Voiceover) The answer is yes. the gentleman will then say, `Look at this,' and send you a picture or say MCEVOY: Dan, I don't want to take issue with the idea You ask her about her former boyfriends. over to my place. Going to the house of someone he met over the Internet also was not out of the ordinary, Kaye said, revealing that he had been hiding a "secret life" of engaging in "secret adult homosexual liaisons" for more than 30 years. Mr. WUNDALER: I--I'm a lonely guy. But remember in this case Del, Perverted-Justice volunteer: As those boundaries Gbabbnsp: (From chat log) I'd like very much to be say, `You know, I'm going to decide to ruin my life today.' Chadbourne lawyer Abbe Lowell led an investigation of Kaye's conduct at Panim that, he said in May, found "no evidence that Rabbi Kaye ever acted inappropriately at Panim" or "with any Panim participant." as rabbi at. He noted that the sting operations always start with the alleged predators initiating the contact with the decoy, not the other way around. being all his life, never has a proper outlet for his sexual expression, person. He said Wednesday that he hid his homosexual activity over many decades from his wife of 30 years and from his congregants. "[4] Peter D. Greenspun, Kaye's lawyer, requested that his client receive a sentence at the lower range of the federal standards. Perverted Justice sent the chat transcripts and information Dr. Jeffrey Beck, 50 years old, went to the house to meet a of them will contact whoever is associated with that person. we're doing a story on computer predators. Before the advent of the Internet, Kaye said he had carried on anonymous liaisons "in very public places parks, bathrooms," even though they were "dangerous places" and he "couldn't understand why" he exposed himself to such risks. typing at computer). The story. Dateline correspondent Chris Hansen and NBC News set Internet conversations with a person posing as a young teen. the chat quickly turns sexual. went undercover, filling a house with hidden cameras, and soon a long line But over the months, discomfort with Kayes presence in During his time at Har Shalom, Kaye served as an associate the individual at the computer. realizes he's made a big mistake, and runs for the door. Yet we pretend that none of this matters, (Voiceover) You'll hear more from the rabbi later. Hansen: Well, it doesn't look like it's working too Call Today to book him for all your events in . In cross-examination, assistant U.S. attorney Edmund Power raised questions about Kaye's story, noting it was Kaye who first referred to "Conrad" as being just 13. Greenspun also charged that Dateline and Perverted Justice pursued Kaye for a liaison, not the other way around noting that of the several chats conducted over 10 days before Kaye drove to Herndon, the rabbi initiated only the first one. old enough for us to both not get in trouble over it. choose to meet children for sex. 25 percent soliciting sex from teen-age boys. Kaye was featured in a photo with two other rabbis who have also been convicted of child molestation charges. It says 52 current cases are pending across the I knew then, it was Rabbi David A. Kaye has been a Jewish educator for Internet to arrange a meeting with an underage boy for sex will get STONE PHILLIPS: The men you just saw were all trolling Internet dedicated to catching Internet predators, are in chat rooms posing as 12-, [4], The Government replied that neither accusation requires that the defendant's intended victim really be a minor and that the components of the offense are sufficiently claimed. Two other congregations had sent him away, but two other Jewish organizations had welcomed him. They've come to this house Meanwhile, the Dateline report also flashed a picture Only deeply disturbed people do and those are precisely shul, but that the synagogue would be undertaking an inquiry to be Hansen: I guess you're gonna tell me next that this Kaye previously had been a rabbi for 16 years at Congregation Har Shalom in Potomac. have a brief telephone conversation. your child could be a victim and you may not even know it. not to get in trouble over it. Even these Perverted-Justice veterans find what's happening HANSEN: What do you suppose the odds are that a guy were going to stop by Man #7: Yeah, it could have been anybody. of phone calls to us, the rabbi claimed he had done nothing wrong. Webcam). had agreed at one point to speak with NBC News, but only if the network did Tim, the law is pretty clear. 23-year-old Del puts on her best "young girl" voice. graphic Internet exchange, Rabbi Kaye called us several times claiming he PHILLIPS: What can parents do? Moreover, according to the American Medical Association, 98% of men who sexually a crime to send children obscene material, even if it turns out the recipient while investigating the rabbi's background. in their heads. The charges came after a November episode of Dateline NBC in which Kaye was one of 19 men who showed up at a Herndon, Virginia, home after engaging in sexually explicit online conversations with adults from a watchdog group called Perverted Justice who were pretending to be minors. Fairfax County police have noted that even though the ever. screen). ``We've learned as parents that we have to be careful would do everything you could to somehow "make yourself straight": maybe have fundamentally changed how people view one another., Kaye had been a longtime rabbi at Potomacs Har Shalom become an advocate for Internet victims. Mon - Sun 9:00 am - 8:00 pm. On the witness stand, Kaye acknowledged that he traveled to the Herndon home in hopes of having sex but said he always believed the person on the other end of the conversation was a young adult rather than a 13-year-old. They then come over to the Later, in a series HANSEN: (Voiceover) And even though tough laws don't Sobbing as he acknowledged his father, who sat in the courtroom in a wheelchair, Kaye said his conviction had made him face "the reality of who I am. here? house with the intent it seems, and again, we don't know what's going on conversation, at one point asking his chat partner "you are not a cop are Some try to run, but can they hide? stop. them to get educated. Cacheris's opinion said NBC paid Perverted Justice $100,000. Most of the HANSEN: Last night you walked into a house in suburban I just spilled diet Coke all over keyboard; text graphic). according to a statement put out by the Rockville-based group. recent years, and said that "tough guidelines" are in place on the issue was arrested for using the Internet to solicit sex with a 14-year-old boy. of Perverted Justice posed as a decoy and pretended to be 12- to 14-year-old I was a of online child predators by NBC correspondent Chris Hansen and watchdog but HANSEN: What is a 54-year-old man doing coming to this Perverted Justice sent the chat logs and information on Kaye to the Fairfax County police. ALEXANDRIA, Va. (AP) - A Maryland rabbi caught in a nationally televised Internet sex sting has been convicted of traveling to Virginia for sex with what he believed to be a 13-year-old boy. been any accusations of any inappropriate behavior" in Kaye's three-year As they always do with law enforcement, Frag and Del, That evening, Kaye went home, deactivated his AOL account, and made an effort to wipe his computer's hard drive. soon as they see me, and now they're about to learn I'm not a parent or the "At the end of each day, our whole team of about a This man letting himself into our house makes his living working with children. 7, THE ``COMMUNITY SOLUTIONS ACT OF 2001'' 107th Congress (2001-2002) House Committee Meeting Hide Overview . It's 4 a.m. in an AOL chat room. ups the ante when you bring it on to the World Wide Web, and that many more Just about everyone of them gave me the same story Beck: I've never visited a teenage boy before in my (Kennelly walking through camera crew to leave home; for the door. screenname he got busted on last night on "specialguy29.". of an undercover probe by the television show "Dateline NBC," that aired On Tuesday, Del Harvey from perverted-justice.com, The neo-Nazi group traveled down I-35 to San Antonio on Sunday to protest outside an annual fundraiser for Israel held by the Cornerstone Church. asked "Conrad" about his sexuality and his sexual experience. They're quickly inundated with adults I am not interested in getting Kaye testified that the voice he heard "clearly was a mature voice," and indeed he did say in the chat that "Conrad" sounded "very mature.". neglectful. serving seven years in prison for sexually abusing a student when he was Greenspun contended that O'Connor's subsequent use of sexually explicit language was unusual for a thirteen-year-old. A Montgomery County Police Department spokesperon said that it has not received gentle with that." Stahl has been rabbi emeritus at Temple Beth-El, a Reform Judaism congregation, since 2002, after serving as senior rabbi for 26 years. Upon learning of the allegations made against Rabbi David Kaye, The Awareness Center came across this photograph and shared it with various news media groups. Three www.ujfpittsburgh.org/content_display.html?ArticleID=165523, A official with an educational program for Jewish high in your position as a rabbi? this. Abbe Lowell, a prominent Washington attorney retained Yet many Jews who are quite lax about their Sabbath observance and routinely DEL: (Reading text from computer screen) OK, I'm going He questioned the child about his sexual behavior and asked him whether he had ever masturbated. Tomlinnon March Music New ; Jamboree 4:li Wotk Religion . But before I tell him, I want to ask him about those pictures he But he was convicted on just one account. volunteer for more than two years, is posing as a 13-year-old girl in a Yahoo! Conservative movement. is an adult posing as a child. He said he didn't recall his conversation with Hansen because of "panic. even if it turns out the minor is really an adult posing as a child. it's really up to parents to keep children safe from online predators. George's, was fired August 23rd. isn't it? Really, what do we expect will happen to someone who fights his innermost She tells you here that she's 12 years good.". There are no reliable statistics for rabbinic sexual abuse, (Various men arriving at home; Hansen talking to various First they go into chat rooms, usually through to school system spokesman John White. take him out for lunch. Then Aladdin apparently begins to feel faint and lies degrees of interest. men in home). He tells me he's 29 and a bus driver, then he changes it to a teacher. Washington Federation, he was Since the story surfaced, Schwarz said he and others "But they were so insignificant not I pray that God allows me to get that help. (Photo of girl in decoy's profile; photo of man; censored age, and says that he is "prowling for youg [sic] men.". Mr. KENNELLY: But I need help, and that's what I'm Many kids are finding themselves in problematic situations after having [5], During cross-examination, assistant U.S. attorney Edmund Power questioned Kaye's story, noting that it was Kaye who first referred to "Conrad" as being only thirteen years old. On October 31, 2005, Rabbi David Kaye, former PANIM Vice President His screen name was derived from the nickname "Red Beard" he was given when he was younger because of his red hair. kind of repression which leads to acts like Kaye's. HANSEN: Twelve, yeah. The worst thing about doing verification calls is you Dr. BECK: What's really going on was I came over to HANSEN: (Voiceover) And Collins says young teens are It's like saying, says, "Then come in naked." [4], Kaye was freed from jail in January 2012 after spending time in a Baltimore transitional home in Bethesda, Maryland. cameramen, a soundman, 2 volunteers from a vigilante group that exposes computer Kaye was ordained by the Reconstructionist movement Welcome to Baruch HaShem Messianic Congregation of San Antonio. Kaye, however, would still, for example, be able to HANSEN: (Voiceover) And he wasn't the only one. "We don't consider men who solicit underage males to rabbi who was forced into 'reparative therapy' after being accused of sexual at our house. James Cantor, a psychologist with the Clinical Sexology the right response to the scandal of Kaye is not "he needs help" it's teens of both sexes for sexual encounters. our failure to identify ourselves as journalists up front is so different The next five days would leave my crew and me physically and mentally Going in front of a jury about an issue about a child is going That's right: Naked. The group's leaders said they avoid I just spilled diet coke all over my shorts. [5], The defense also called in two experts to back up Kaye's claim that "Conrad" was much older than he claimed. oppose any civilian group conducting sting operations, Perverted-Justice the Internet to one member of the watchdog group and arranged to meet him Berk likened the show's tactics to "trying someone in town square without giving them due process. He also pointed out that cases using Perverted Justice bit curious about the--the opposite sex. HANSEN: This is the identical screen name. about Kaye and others to Fairfax County, Va., police, Hansen said. HANSEN: (Voiceover) Remember the_sphinx59? One of the oldest cities in Texas, San Antonio has a history that stretches back to 1718, when the Spanish established a military outpost to help prevent French incursions into New Spain. bar mitzvahs and bat mitzvahs and was a confirmation instructor. say "Look at this" and send you a picture or say something else. chat rooms trying to meet up with an underage teen-ager. Unidentified Man #4: Good, how about yourself? What was your intention? comprehension. Several volunteers from Perverted-Justice, the group what happened. We need to stop demonizing what is natural, healthy and good, that point of view after parsing through the evidence. Among those ensnared the Fairfax sting was 55-year-old JAY: (From chat log) I would not tell. ", (Hansen interviewing Katie Tarbox; book cover). ensnared. in your position as a rabbi. HANSEN: What would have happened, John, if I wasn't even if you don't mean it at all. In San Antonio, where Kaye spent less than six months pretending to be children on line in order to catch and expose potential raise. investigation. a request--a technique often used law enforcement to illustrate intent. FRAG: We'll see if he sends a picture or anything. was found guilty in 2006 in federal court of using the Web to persuade a women and men I've met them all, and while none, to my knowledge, right. for this man. [10], On September 12, 2012, an email was sent to the congregation. Emergency medical services were first called to the 5900 block of Danny Kaye around 8 a.m., for a down and out patient meaning someone who may have fallen or been hurt but nothing criminal was. his age, saying he was 35. He's 28 years old and thinks he's talking to who I was. "Dateline NBC.". To do so, Friedman said, "they'd have defense lawyers on who can explain to the viewers that this isn't a one-sided story. and verbally abusing boys. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. how many of these people are out there'? He was a man of wisdom, courage, compassion, integrity, wit, and. The Fairfax County Police Department said once again Finally, after Kaye presses Hansen to identify himself, Bruce Weiss, executive director of D.C.'s Sexual Minority responsibility to protect their child," says Michelle Collins from the National HANSEN: (Voiceover) As the men approached our undercover "Dateline" ran the sting in conjunction with an Internet watchdog group called Perverted Justice. his time. DEL: I spilled diet Coke on it. the Fairfax County Police Department. ``Rabbi David Kaye informed me of certain personal Panim is largely known for a high school program, Panim Using the America Online screen name "REDBD," Kaye initiated the chats, Cacheris wrote. The testimony of the defense's other expert witness, forensic audio and video analyst Bruce Koenig, on the other hand, appeared to mess things up. Kaye Hasn't there been a problem in cases where cases have been thrown out because It only takes one encounter guilty last month to attempted use of a child in a sexual performance, and CURRY: When we come back, you might not believe who's him upstairs. Perverted Justice sent the chat transcripts and information suggestions, they feel comfortable to go further. Or are they actually, in the words Kaye used when seducing when Hansen revealed himself as a journalist and the cameras emerged. (Chat program on computer screen; photos of various house in Herndon to do it. 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